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    Panel lining

    Post by lionheart80 on Sun 07 Aug 2011, 2:58 pm

    just like to check wat kinda of markers bro here use for panel lining other than those gundam markers cause i think i need a finer tip to do panel lining as i always tend to smudge

    and will using pencil make a better panel lining than markers?

    thks a lot
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by dalvinho on Sun 07 Aug 2011, 6:50 pm

    I just use the gundam marker. For me, the trick to removing smudges is to use tissue ASAP. As in the moment you finish drawing, then you see that you missed, faster use an eraser (Yes an eraser) to clean. If its hard to remove, try tissue. That's what I normally do. But I dun paint my gundams, so I dunnoe if it will scratch the paintjob or not. Otherwise, this is a pretty cheap method I use hehe Smile
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by lionheart80 on Sun 07 Aug 2011, 9:25 pm

    thats the problem, i always clean up more than i do the lining

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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by xfiles_wolvie on Mon 08 Aug 2011, 4:44 am

    copic multiliner.....sakura micro pen.......to name a few. various nib sizes to choose from.

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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by wilson84 on Thu 10 Nov 2011, 2:10 pm

    does hobby shop sell those?
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by DarthYuy on Thu 10 Nov 2011, 3:30 pm

    wilson84 wrote:does hobby shop sell those?

    MWS sells them, also got gundam branded ones. But if you kniw how to use enamel washing, it will be a lot nicer.


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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by epsilondelta24 on Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:12 pm

    hi guys, I'm wondering about enamel washing method for panel lining... I get the basic idea on how to do that, but there's one question : can I use acrylic paint instead?

    I think acrylic paint would make it easier to clean the tools (brush etc) after usage, since it's water soluble, unlike enamel paint which is rather oily...
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by hoyouken on Fri 17 Feb 2012, 9:53 pm

    think the reason for using enamel is because it is a different solvent. Assuming you done a paint job(acrylic) and top coat for your model, if using enamel to panel line and if there are mistake you can use enamel thinner to clean it.

    Please correct me if i am wrong.
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by newtypekiasu on Wed 28 Mar 2012, 9:10 am

    Hmmm....... I used Artist Oils with Low-Odour turps for panel lining and washing back then, but on a few occasions i've also used Tamiya Enamels and their Enamel Thinners for the same purpose. Very Happy

    Not sure about applying over Acrylics but might work if you gave it a clear overcoat prior to panel lining, cuz i have been using Lacquers for my main painting from the beginning........

    After all Oil and Water don't mix.
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by bhong88 on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 8:04 am

    I would really like to learn how to do panel lining, but I only use acrylic paints. May I know what is the best way to do this for this kind of paint?
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by sliver on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 4:24 pm

    imho, enamel wash for panel lining produce very decent results, gundam markers seems a bit thick.


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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by bhong88 on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 6:58 pm

    sliver wrote:imho, enamel wash for panel lining produce very decent results, gundam markers seems a bit thick.

    Thanks Silver for your advise, but how about technical pens (.05 Pilot black pen)
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by epsilondelta24 on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 7:41 pm

    bhong88 wrote:
    sliver wrote:imho, enamel wash for panel lining produce very decent results, gundam markers seems a bit thick.

    Thanks Silver for your advise, but how about technical pens (.05 Pilot black pen)

    I'm not really sure, but usually pens will get thicker in the tips after being used for panel lining for a while... and for really small places, enamel/acrylic wash would be more practical, since they can flow to the usually unreachable places (as long as you thin them properly).

    but you can go ahead and try... if you don't paint your kit, panel lining wouldn't really mess anything since you can always clean the excess with alcohol or rubber eraser. Razz
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by Enterprise on Sun 12 Aug 2012, 8:14 pm

    Try using oil paints or enamels, really looks alot better than pens and you dont need an airbrush to do it!
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by Kai Kai on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 12:51 pm

    Hi everyone,

    Can anyone suggest the steps for OOB kits after snapfit and starting for panel lining?

    1.Panel line enamel wash,
    2.topcoat - gloss
    3.Water decal
    4.Flat / gloss finish

    or

    1.Topcoat - gloss
    2.Panel lining enamal gloss
    3.Water decal
    4.Flat / gloss finish
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by sliver on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm

    kaiwen wrote:Hi everyone,

    Can anyone suggest the steps for OOB kits after snapfit and starting for panel lining?

    1.Panel line enamel wash,
    2.topcoat - gloss
    3.Water decal
    4.Flat / gloss finish

    or

    1.Topcoat - gloss
    2.Panel lining enamal gloss
    3.Water decal
    4.Flat / gloss finish

    if can only choose betw the two, i would go for method two. reason being for method one, if you apply enamel thinner during the washing, it will weaken the plastic and u will see the plastic crack after a while. better to use method two cos the gloss coat can protect your oob plastic parts from the enamel thinner during the wash.

    my 2 cents



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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by DarthYuy on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 3:13 pm

    Agree with Sliver, Method two.
    If you do enamel wash on bare plastic.. you get really heart breaking results.


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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by Kai Kai on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 4:13 pm

    thank you guys on the info. Will post my completed GUNDAM once it is done.

    I've tried doing both methods on the legs of the gundam, both have it's advantages... (and problems).

    Hopefully this will be done nicely compared to the last few gundams that I've done.
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by Kai Kai on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 4:19 pm

    BTW,

    I was learning from a pro saying that enamal washes are safe when you are just doing single plastic piece instead of the whole gunpla intact.

    Tried doing that for the gundam im working on and found out it's true.

    Then i test tried using SD in which i flow the enamel ink when the pieces are together and within seconds it cracked. FAST.

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    Post by DarthYuy on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 5:43 pm

    Seldom ppl do panel lining on one piece and then assemble.
    Plastic is still plastic, assembled together or not..
    Well each to his own believe haha...


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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by sliver on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 5:47 pm

    kaiwen wrote:BTW,

    I was learning from a pro saying that enamal washes are safe when you are just doing single plastic piece instead of the whole gunpla intact.

    Tried doing that for the gundam im working on and found out it's true.

    Then i test tried using SD in which i flow the enamel ink when the pieces are together and within seconds it cracked. FAST.


    I learnt sth new today Smile

    Eh.. just one qn:
    One piece unpainted plastic vs one whole snapfitted plastic kit.. both the plastic's mechanical n chemical properties should not change rite? Would appreciate if your pro friend can share w us more input abt wat u mentioned so that we can benefit more from his experience? Tia ! Smile


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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by celeron787 on Wed 29 Aug 2012, 6:15 pm

    Maybe is due to how much enamel wash u put on the part, flood it with enamel wash and high chance it might crack, apply little by little should be safer. I think there's a higher risk when doing it on bare plastic, a layer of paint or topcoat above it should provide some protection since u are not putting the wash on bare plastic. Although cracking still occurred in my NG OO raiser
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by Kai Kai on Thu 30 Aug 2012, 9:30 am

    Yup! Agreed with Celeron787 on the theory on enamel wash. In fact I've went back to try it myself to see if the theory works. Will upload the photos and will let you all see later. Work now.
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by Kai Kai on Thu 30 Aug 2012, 10:38 am

    http://kaikaitoys.blogspot.sg/2012/08/panel-line-testing.html

    Hey guys, dont know how to add pictures to my test but I've updated my blog on the panel line test I've did last night. Hope it will benefit from it. (at least I've benefitted from it)
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    Re: Panel lining

    Post by chocofalcon on Thu 30 Aug 2012, 10:49 am

    Thanks. It very useful.

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